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076 - Would You Rather... Holiday Party Edition!

Would you rather... Have an open bar or avoid the party altogether? Invite spouses or make everyone suffer alone? Tyson and Alexa square off and go full 'this or that' style on the topic of the season: the infamous holiday party. Are you team FOMO or team JOMO? Listen in to decide.

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Alexa

Tyson.


Tyson

What is up?


Alexa

Tis the season. Tis the season. Dance is our second to last episode before we take a week off and fucking get rid of 20, 22.


Tyson

Can't wait.


Alexa

I am ready. I am ready for 2022 to be over for lots of reasons, truthfully.


Tyson

But yeah, this is because this is like a tough year for sure. It's a tough year. I think everyone's kind of feeling out a little bit.


Alexa

I feel like everyone was like, oh, 20. 20 was tough. Oh, 21 20. 21 was tough. And now everybody's like, no, 20. 22 has definitely been the worst.


Tyson

Wait, is this just going to happen every year now? Like, 20, 23 is going to be, like, complete shit.


Alexa

I fucking hope not. I don't think I'll make it.


Tyson

Yeah, but I think. I feel like I remember there was this, like, viral thing going around. I think it was either 20, 17 or 2019. And there was this viral thing that everyone was like, this was just like the most boring ass year of all time. Like, it was just like a generally like, shit feeling year. I want to say it must.


Alexa

Have been 2017.


Tyson

It might've been 2017. And just like everybody was talking about, it was like viral online Instagram. People were like, Oh, nothing happened this year anyways. And then, you know, a couple of years later problem.


Alexa

Yeah.


Tyson

Over all of our lives were just shaken up.


Alexa

And I feel like the novelty of COVID has worn off Like, we're, it's no longer a COVID year, but like it is officially post-COVID, quote unquote.


Tyson

Oh yeah.


Alexa

And so and so all the shit that you like thought was going to come back like officially isn't coming back and like all the shit that, like, is new that you weren't down with, like is officially real life now. And, like, so now you're just dealing with the fucking, like, new norm and not all of it's awesome, you know, and now it's just cold and dark all the time.


Alexa

So my soul is damp, my soul is down, but.


Tyson

Weather does not.


Alexa

Help. I'm back in New England and my soul is damp.


Tyson

You got to go back to Mexico.


Alexa

I'm on my way, but I'm on my way. I buy the next episode in 20, 23. The two episodes from now, I will be somewhere fucking warm because.


Tyson

Like, that's the thing.


Alexa

That's always cold.


Tyson

Like, as a Canadian, I don't have a lot of options. Like, it's cold in the east or cold in the west or somewhere in the middle. But like, do Americans have the luxury of literally being able to live in a tropical climate?


Alexa

We could be, yeah. We've got all the things.


Tyson

People choose to live in. I don't know. I don't want heat. I'm like, Cuba to my no, we don't, you know, Vermont, we can't get we can't get into the US. Like, if I could just like gallivant off to, like, Miami, like, you could I would probably do that now. I would not go to my can. It rains like crazy there.


Tyson

And I went I went to Miami one time and it rained the entire time, but well, you.


Alexa

Can't go and rainy season and.


Tyson

It rains like ten.


Alexa

Minutes from springs.


Tyson

Maybe somewhere in the desert.


Alexa

Yeah, man, we got all the climates, you know, all the climates. All the climates. Yeah, but I'm still going to fuck off to a beach somewhere because I'm over this shit already.


Tyson

Well, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. If I could, I would.


Alexa

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Alexa

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Alexa

Use the code people problems at people OP Society RT.com to get 20% off your membership today. Use the code people problems at people OP Society dot com to join our community all right, Tyson, we've got a fun episode today. We're going to kick it off with some pops in the news. But our episode topic for today is the holiday party because tis the season and I think these are back like I think holiday parties are back.


Alexa

Maybe not in full effect, but they're back. Yeah. And we're going to start with a of an interesting story which is about a French employee who has to fight for his right not to party, as you so aptly put. That was your joke. I stole it. So basically, this guy was like, I'm not going to participate in after work drinks and these like bullshit Team-Building activities.


Alexa

You guys, I just want to go home. And he was sued by because excuse me, he was fired for not attending these activities. And so he sued the employers obviously in France, so different different roles. But he basically was fired for, quote, professional incompetence, specifically for his refusal to adhere to the company's, quote, fun values. So according to the court, which is like France's high France's highest court, the Court of Cassation, and shout out to John Hyman for his wonderful LinkedIn right up about this.


Alexa

We miss you, John. He they basically ruled that it was an exercise of his fundamental freedom of expression. Which is their official term, that he's not required to go to these things and it is not a basis for termination. So this guy was like, I'm not going to your stupid fucking after work drinks and I don't want to participate.


Alexa

And they fired him. And France was like, yeah, you can't do that. He's allowed to like express his his fundamental freedom of expression, of not going we don't have that law here in the United States. So that's one thing that's important to know. We do not have that protection a quote unquote fundamental freedom of expression. Which is, you know.


Tyson

Why you can be fired for saying stupid shit on.


Alexa

Social media and other things, but fascinating to think that someone would get fired for not attending the social gatherings at a at a company.


Tyson

I have a what they call the joy of missing out. I don't like JOMO. I have JOMO hard core. I do not like participating in social events. I do not like participating.


Alexa

We know how much you love team building.


Tyson

So I cannot stand ice breakers. I don't want to be anywhere near that. I actually had just been in person with people and like you're.


Alexa

Just an introvert with a big personality.


Tyson

The team building like it caused me so much anxiety. Like, I just I'm not interested. I do not like it. I we're going to have a whole and I'm like this like we are.


Alexa

I'm like the asshole that tries to win the team building. I'm like, Captain fucking America.


Tyson

Yeah. So, like, TBD on like an episode around team building, but like, I'm this, you know, all the power to this guy to fight for his right to not party because, like, you shouldn't be forced into doing it. And, like, I actually get this a lot where managers are like, oh, they're not social on the Slack channels and they're not participating in the team events.


Tyson

And I'm like, just leave people alone. We have Slack fatigue, we have Zoom fatigue. Speaking of, like, post-pandemic, we're like the.


Alexa

Fans it's too much. And also, like, if you've got someone that's like habitually missing things or like really isn't participating and you've given them a variety of opportunities to participate in that, aren't just like drinking events? Like there's probably another dynamic there that you need to be aware of, like either a family dynamic or like there's, there's just like there's something else going on if someone's really not interested in engaging with the team and it might be like they just don't get along with the team very well.


Alexa

Like, Yeah, that's something to be fucking aware of.


Tyson

If anyone is planning any sort of fun, team building, etc. activities, do it during the workday. Like people want to go to their we spend so much time at work, have some of the fun during the workday versus like expecting people to be there like after hours or on weekends when they should be with their family unless and we're going to get into this, unless there's like some sort of family component to it because like honestly, like for me at the end of the day, like all I care about is being with my baby.


Tyson

Like I don't want to like be roped into doing more work stuff, especially socializing. Like, God forbid.


Alexa

We just talked about the four day work. We with Ryan may like whether or not that actually works. We express our opinions in a few mediums, but like it's you've got time to take 3 hours and the day early and fucking enjoy each other and 3 hours we'll spend here.


Tyson

Yes, it's probably well spent.


Alexa

Yeah. You know, look, I don't think I think the idea of like ending every day at 5 p.m. is fucking bullshit. But like if you're going to plan something like be cognizant of everybody's like different obligations and shit and like, yeah, I don't know, I more power to this guy for standing up and being like, you can't, you can't fire me for this shit.


Alexa

I do my job. My job is not to be social at the bar with you guys. Yeah. All right. Well, with that said, I'm very excited for the rest of our chat, which is that's a bit of a sneak preview. So we're going to a fun format for today's conversation. We are going to talk about holiday parties and we're going to talk about at H.R. at the holiday party.


Alexa

And we are going to do this in the infamous this or that format. So for those of you who've not listen to this or that, this is kind of a fun sort of podcast styling choice. But basically I'm going to list two different options and types, and I are going to discuss our preference between those options. So we've got three different this or that's for two different categories.


Alexa

And the first category is just holiday parties work holiday parties in general. So we're just going to start with like the the general foundation here. And then we're going to talk more specifically about H.R. and H.R. at the holiday party. So you ready for this, Tyson? Our very first is really excited.


Tyson

I'm ready. I'm ready.


Alexa

All right. Drumroll, please. This or that number one holiday party at the office or holiday party at a bar.


Tyson

At the bar, because the food in the drinks will most certainly be better.


Alexa

Okay. So I'm going to say if I have to choose between the two, which I think is the rules.


Tyson

You do? Yeah.


Alexa

I'm going to.


Tyson

Say.


Alexa

I'm going to say at a bar because it just will definitely feel more festive. However, I would say I wouldn't. And it hard to do it this or that when you want to actually want to add like four options. Like I actually think the coolest holiday parties are the ones that are like a proper like gala at like a fucking like, like Universal Studios or some shit.


Alexa

Like obviously that's like a big company thing. And I have I have hosted four teams before, like we've cleared the furniture out of the office, like let's have a banger in the space because it's just cheaper. Yeah. And you can fit a lot of people and people don't have to worry about like parking and blah blah blah because you're ready.


Alexa

No, all that. But I would say, yeah, you got to get people like into a festive location. And so I feel like you got it. You got to get out of the office.


Tyson

Yeah. Like bar or restaurant.


Alexa

Bar or restaurant venue.


Tyson

Just like a nice brunch spot at like 10 a.m. you know, you're you're up.


Alexa

To here at brunch, you bitch.


Tyson

Okay, maybe, maybe a little, you know, or like.


Alexa

Some mimosas.


Tyson

And an early happy hour, you know, sneak out at about three, everybody risings up by five. Yeah.


Alexa

Yeah, I like that. I like that. Or just like a boozy lunch. Like, I remember my my.


Tyson

Boyfriend, like, not going back to work.


Alexa

No, no, no, not yet. No expectation that anyone was going back to work. Like, it was like a four hour it was a Mexican lunch. It was 4 hours long, and there was lots of cocktails if you wanted them. And the expectation was like, you'll be out of here by five or not or we'll after party. All right. No.


Tyson

No, no, no afterparty for me. Do not put me down for the after party.


Alexa

All right.


Tyson

After party sleeping. So if.


Alexa

The officer that was go home or next move your you're on the go home train.


Tyson

Literally, you can give you the option between almost anything in the world and go home and I will pick go home.


Alexa

Oh, my God. This conversation can be so boring when we're like in our forties. So really, we had to record this at 8 p.m. and Tyson's asleep. So it's just me.


Tyson

Oh, this is awesome. Okay. Okay, let's go. All right, all right.


Alexa

All right. So next, this or that? All right. Holiday party to invite spouses and significant others or employees only.


Tyson

So I'm going to have to do a caveat to this one. If it is the big gala, you know, all sorts of people there I want my spouse there with me. But if it's just like an after work, like just the team, like just like like, you know, just a little team after we're kind of like what we were talking about, maybe a quick happy hour, that sort of thing, then definitely no spouse.


Alexa

Okay, this isn't about you, Tyson. This is about what's right for other people. I'm just kidding. I want you do not me.


Tyson

I thought this okay, we're playing. Would you rather pay people?


Alexa

Because I really think.


Tyson

Would you rather.


Alexa

Yeah, this is this is just a podcast or would you rather so yeah. So I guess I think I agree with that. I was actually just talking to my sister about this, so they, they she works at a company and she's sort of like, you know, typical startup. She's the CEO's de facto head of H.R. because no one listens to our podcast and hires H.R. when they should, but they're debating whether or not they should.


Alexa

So they'