25 - 'How the F did I get here?' (Your craziest HR situations)

This is gnarly one folks. We asked listeners for their worst HR-related stories, and we go over them in rapid-fire fashion... some are shocking, some are bizarre, and some are downright gross. Listen beware, this sh*t gets cray.

Release Date: December 2021

[00:00:00] Voiceover: Warning, this podcast is about the realities of working in people operations. This is not a stuck-up PC compliance-based or employment law podcast about stuffy outdated HR practices. Shit will get real here, and we assume no responsibility.

[00:00:16] Tyson Mackenzie: And we had a strict, no alcohol policy, and everybody was like, "Oh, don't drink. HR is here." Meanwhile, I'm like mid-crack the beer.

[00:00:24] Alexa Baggio: If they're that disengaged before they're gonna be that disengaged and the officers will be sitting at their desks looking at Facebook. They are going to find ways [unintelligible 00:00:30].

[00:00:31] Voiceover: This is the People Problems podcast with Alexa Baggio and Tyson Mackenzie.

[00:00:40] Alexa: What's up Tyson?

[00:00:43] Tyson: Not too much. Um, my baby had--

[00:00:45] Alexa: That was like a big inhale, are you all right over there?


[00:00:47] Tyson: Yeah, my baby had three naps today. So like that was like a win typically. She only sleeps in my arms, but today she actually, I was able to lie her down on the couch. Um,-

[00:00:56] Alexa: Nice.

[00:00:56] Tyson: -and I feel like the mom police out there that are gonna tell me that's not safe. Like, I don't give a shit. She's fine. I'm gonna watch-- I'm watching her.

I'm right there. I'm sitting on the couch next to her reading a book or doing a workout or whatever. So that was a win because like-

[00:01:07] Alexa: Yes.

[00:01:07] Tyson: -having to hold a baby all day, like it-it's time-consuming.

[00:01:11] Alexa: I bet your back muscles are looking fierce right now though.

[00:01:13] Tyson: Honestly, I wake up like in sore in places I didn't even know. Like my, like these things, like--

[00:01:18] Alexa: Your laps traps.

[00:01:19] Tyson: Yeah. Whatever those are. My traps.

[00:01:20] Alexa: Those are the traps. She's pointing her to her traps [unintelligible 00:01:22].

[00:01:23] Tyson: Between my shoulder and my neck.


It hurts. It hurts.

[00:01:26] Alexa: We'll listen to podcasts. Yeah-yeah. I can imagine that mine hurts too, but mostly just from sitting at a fucking desk all day. Ergonomics be damned.

[00:01:33] Tyson: No, I-I, so I tried booking a massage. I was like, so ha-- I'm like, "You know what?" I'm gonna like, my baby can go like longer than an hour without eating now. So like, I'm gonna drop her off at my mom's. I'm gonna go for a massage but obviously end of year-

[00:01:44] Alexa: Mm-hmm.

[00:01:44] Tyson: -everything is booked cause everyone's trying to use up their benefits.

[00:01:45] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:01:46] Tyson: So the next massage appointment I was able to get was like January 12th.

[00:01:50] Alexa: Nice.

[00:01:51] Tyson: But something to look forward to.

[00:01:52] Alexa: [crosstalk] wait to relax. Yeah. That reminds me, I have a like six-hour, like half-day situation. My brother and sister got me as a very nice birthday present.

[00:02:00] Tyson: Wow.

[00:02:00] Alexa: Like months ago, but I have to book like five or six hours of a Saturday to use this thing. And I haven't done that yet. So I guess I'll be joining you in January.

[00:02:08] Tyson: Yeah. [laughs]

[00:02:09] Alexa: I'll relax in January, I guess.

[00:02:11] Tyson: Uh, you use resolutions to relax?

[00:02:11] Alexa: Yeah, Yeah, to get a massage.

[00:02:14] Tyson: Cool.

[00:02:14] Alexa: Cool. All right. Well, if nothing is super new-- Oh actually I-I have one thing that's kind of new. That's kind of exciting.

[00:02:19] Tyson: Okay.

[00:02:19] Alexa: And I can talk about this now because by the time this airs it will have happened.

[00:02:23] Tyson: Okay.

[00:02:24] Alexa: And that is that I am planning a super-secret holiday party for my team. And by super-secret, it means I am flying them somewhere for one night and they don't know where they're going. So we're a- we're a tiny team, obviously, we're only like a half a dozen people. And you know, as people in the employee experience industry, we-- I kind of pride our, we have to do this right. Right? You know, I can't just like do a zoom call for, you know, zoom happy hour. We're a Santa-- like a Santa hat. We have to like kind of do this right and set the example.

So basically, I asked them and their loved ones for 36 hours and I said I will-- we are gonna leave the morning of Tuesday, the seventh. And we are gonna-- I will have you back by noon on the eighth. And that's all-- that's kind of all they've known for a while.

[00:03:01] Tyson: Oh, that's so sick.

[00:03:01] Alexa: So I have been kind of dropping little hints, not too much though. And I will say, I have learned in this process that people really take surprises differently. I have a couple members of my team that are like leaning into this. They're so excited. They love it. I have a couple people who are turns out control freaks, and they are-

[00:03:17] Tyson: Oh yeah.

[00:03:17] Alexa: -losing their minds. I have one-one in particular--

[00:03:20] Tyson: Did you give them like a packing list?

[00:03:22] Alexa: So I've given them-- So I sent them a little note. Uh, I was supposed to FedEx them, this like really cool little care package that has a bunch of clues in it. That had like a little poem in it that told them where their flight was leaving from. And when they needed to be at the airport and then like some notes they needed to know. Like, "Hey, we're gonna be in a wintery climate.

[00:03:39] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:03:39] Alexa: We'll be inside and outside. So dress warmly. You don't need to pack anything except like your toiletries and a change of clothes for the- for the flight home." And that's really all the details they've had. So I-I sent them their notes yesterday about, you know, "Hey, you need to be at, you know, whatever D.C. Airport at 7:00 AM for an 8:30 flight on Jet Blue." And the little detectives that they are, have figured I'm taking them to Chicago for the evening. So we're a fully remote team. So I'm flying them all into Chicago for the night.

And the big finale out, there's a bunch of little, you know, little stuff we're gonna do when we get there. It's just like a day of holiday fun, is that I'm taking them to a Killers concert for the night. So we have red T-shirts that say, "Slay like you mean it", which I'm not sure they'll get the reference, uh, right when they get the t-shirts. But we're gonna go to dinner. We're gonna pop around, do some holiday stuff in Chicago for the day. And then I'm taking them to a Killers concert to celebrate the year and just to say thanks. So I'm super excited about that.

[00:04:30] Tyson: That is epic. Wow.

[00:04:32] Alexa: And-and they don't know any of that. So they're just gonna show up at the airport and be like, "I don't know we're going to Chicago." Uh, so hopefully they like it. Um, that is super fun.

[00:04:40] Tyson: First of all, Chicago like just that in itself is amazing. But then to top it off with The Killers concert is like, "Like who doesn't like The Killers, like come on."

[00:04:47] Alexa: Exactly. That's the thing. We have a multi-generational team. And I was like, "I think everybody likes The Killers. We were gonna go to Nashville."

[00:04:53] Tyson: Everyone

[00:04:53] Alexa: And I was like, "A lot of these country acts like, nobody knows these people." Like, you know, it's Tuesday and December. Like, you know, it's kind of like a hard- a hard time with and stuff. And then I was like, "You know what? In Chicago, there's a holiday concert and The Killers are headlining. So I think we have to go."

[00:05:05] Tyson: Uh, that's amazing. I would love to go to Chicago. I've never been, but it's definitely on my top, uh, on my list.

[00:05:10] Alexa: It's not far from you. Let's-- We'll have- we'll have to meet there next time I'm in town.

[00:05:12] Tyson: Yeah. Yeah. No, that would be awesome.

[00:05:16] Alexa: I love it. So I'm excited for my super, secret holiday party tomorrow. It will be fun.

[00:05:18] Tyson: I can't wait to hear how it goes. So next week's podcast we'll-we'll hear how it goes.

[00:05:23] Alexa: Yes. You'll hear how it goes. I'll tell you- I'll tell you all about it.

[00:05:25] Tyson: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:26] Alexa: And-and they figured out today now that I sent them their times that they are going to Chicago. So they don't know anything else, but they are little detectives.

[00:05:33] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:05:33] Alexa: If you give them anything, they'll figure it out. I'm just pissed that I was sending them-

[00:05:35] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:05:35] Alexa: -these cool care packages that have these like six-inch gummy pizzas and like, uh, cheddar and caramel popcorn. Like some pretty strong Chicago hints and some funny- some funny-

[00:05:44] Tyson: Oh, the Chicago pizza.

[00:05:46] Alexa: -like-like-like socks with one of their faces on it. And unfortunately, the holiday shipping season has already begun. So FedEx is not guaranteeing-

[00:05:53] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:05:53] Alexa: -pickups for like 72 hours right now. So,-

[00:05:56] Tyson: Wow. Wow.

[00:05:56] Alexa: -ship your shit early, kids. Ship your shit early.

[00:05:58] Tyson: Yeah, for sure.

[00:05:59] Alexa: Um, yeah. Anyway, so that's my big news for the day is I'm very excited about my Chicago trip tomorrow.

[00:06:04] Tyson: That's awesome. I've never had anything as cool as that. So your team is very, very lucky to have you.

[00:06:08] Alexa: All right, yes, well, we're small, so it's easy, but I am very adamant about doing cool shit for your team and being thoughtful about it. Uh, or just don't do it.

[00:06:14] Tyson: Yeah, it's awesome.

[00:06:15] Alexa: Like don't waste the fucking money.

[00:06:16] Tyson: Right.

[00:06:17] Alexa: People can just spend time with their family and their friends, you know?

[00:06:18] Tyson: Yeah. You hear that. So either you go to The Killers or bust.


[00:06:21] Alexa: Yeah, just setting the bar really high here.

[00:06:25] Tyson: Fuck your-your zoom.

[00:06:27] Alexa: Yeah, fuck your zoom happy hours. It's Killers or bust. Exactly. I love that shit. Yes. I hope The Killers are good. I've never seen them in concerts so we'll see them.

[00:06:37] Tyson: I have seen them. I have seen them and they were good.

[00:06:39] Alexa: But--

[00:06:39] Tyson: I'm like actually a diehard. Like I love The Killers. So like those--

[00:06:42] Alexa: It turns out a lot of people are diehard Killers fans.

[00:06:45] Tyson: People do, people--

[00:06:46] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:06:46] Tyson: That's just like, it's like there. And like sometimes you forget about them and then you fi-- like, I like refound them recently. And I was like, "Ah. Shit, I forgot about The Killers. And they're so good."

[00:06:54] Alexa: Yeah. Even some of their news it, it sounds like a Bruce Springsteen. Like they've got a whole-whole bunch of new stuff anyway.

[00:06:59] Tyson: Yeah, and very likes much a story. Like you can listen to an album from start to finish and get like the whole vibe and the whole story. Like the Brandon Flowers guy. I think his name is the lead singer.

[00:07:08] Alexa: Yep.

[00:07:08] Tyson: He like does a really good job-job of like painting a picture.

[00:07:11] Alexa: Yeah. Love it.

[00:07:13] Tyson: Well, speaking of painting a picture, have fun. [chuckles]

[00:07:15] Alexa: Thank you. Let's talk about pops some news.


All right. So our news article today is just a CBS news article and it is called a New Recruitment Tool for Employers Paying Workers Every day. Article is an insanely short and it is actually just highlighting that there are some, uh, I would say largely like fast food chains and sort of what would be sort of regularly distributed worker-workforces, uh, and employers that are using same-day payouts of payroll to attract workers, which is really interesting. So the-the general idea you here is like, if you go work your eight-hour shift at Walmart.

Um, at the end of the day, this employer has an app that allows you to just say, "I'd like to get my paycheck now." So you finish your clock out and it's like, "Yes. Please pay me now." And I think the idea behind this is like, when you're working shift work like that, you're-you're typically fairly paycheck-to-paycheck. And so access to that kind of like, sort of on-demand is actually a really big benefit to people who-who need that cash. So one of the apps they mentioned is DailyPay, Branch, Dayforce Wallet.

I don't know any of these particular apps in general, but they're some of the ones that these employers are using. And the, you know, chief marketing officer of one of them is like, usually people aren't taking out a $100 to go to the bar that night. Like they're taking it out because they have like a $37 light-lighting bill, all they forgot to pay or couldn't make or-or whatever. So it's pretty meaningful. I-I think it's a fascinating, just quick sort of highlight about how the market is really sort of adjusting to workers' experience, being more in the forefront.

We've talked like a ton about that on prior episodes, but it's fascinating because you would have never thought like, "Oh, payroll is a place where you could innovate to make someone's experience better." It's like, "No, you either get paid or you don't." Right? They either fuck it up or they-- or you don't. Right. Like the Amazon article we've talked about a couple times, a few weeks ago is like, "Yeah, people notice when you fuck it up." But this is like a proactive approach to say like, "No, the thing that's really important to this particular kind of worker for this particular kind of work is like access to these dollars faster, you know." It's--

[00:09:20] Tyson: And it's only some-- like, it's only if they need it. So like, I could be like in a jam, I need to pay a bill. I need my money. I just work my shift. Can you pay it like a-a portion of it now, kind of thing.

[00:09:29] Alexa: Exactly.

[00:09:30] Tyson: Like it's almost like, uh, you borrow money.

[00:09:32] Alexa: Yeah. And I look, I--

[00:09:33] Tyson: [crosstalk] from yourself.

[00:09:33] Alexa: I'll-I'll also be the first one to say, say like, if this ultimately winds up sniffing or smelling anything like the payday loan industry, then like, I am not for this whatsoever because that's basically predatory lending. And-and it sounds like I-I-I'm not speaking for any of these apps. I'm not educated on these products whatsoever. Uh, and the article really does not go into it, but it does say, like, for example, if you are to take the payment upfront or like then at the end of your shift, you do pay a fee for that. So it's like $1.99 to get your paycheck, like within two hours of closing your shift or whatever, same day.

And some of that I assume is that there's-there's- there is a cost associated to moving money around on demand. However, you know, if you're taking out a $100 and they're charging you $2 for it, that can get kind of expensive depending on how you get to use it.

[00:10:13] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:10:13] Alexa: So it's just, I think [crosstalk]

[00:10:15] Tyson: Maybe the employer takes that cut.

[00:10:18] Alexa: No, I don't know.

[00:10:17] Tyson: Like, does the employer pay for that fee?

[00:10:19] Alexa: I don't-I don't know. Typically, that-that would [crosstalk]

[00:10:19] Tyson: Yeah, 'cause that would- that would make it a bit better. Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:22] Alexa: I don't think it makes to sense to me. Yeah.

[00:10:23] Tyson: Almost like a benefit, like it's almost like they're, like a benefit you're paying for. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:26] Alexa: No l-- Yeah. That's kinda-that's the slant that the article takes on this is that these-

[00:10:29] Tyson: Right.

[00:10:29] Alexa: -employers are using this as a benefit to attract workers. You know, basically to lower candidates, but it's basically like, we'll-- You know, come work here, we'll pay you every day. My question is, I wonder if it-if it actually encourages higher turnover because people are like, "I don't have to stay until the end of my two-week pay period, like, I'm out." But I feel like--

[00:10:45] Tyson: Do you think people are turning over that quickly though?

[00:10:48] Alexa: In retail? Retail and--

[00:10:49] Tyson: Two weeks?

[00:10:49] Alexa: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Retail is like, oh my God. Oh my God, is the turnover high in retail, especially in the holidays and stuff. I mean, it's-

[00:10:57] Tyson: Right.

[00:10:57] Alexa: -they ramp up like 30% and they drop some.

[00:10:59] Tyson: Then work one shift, get my pay paycheck, and peace out.

[00:11:02] Alexa: People do that- people do that shit all the time, do not be surprised, people do that shit all the time. Uh, the one funny thing that this ar-article ends with, I guess, is that the nursing homes are one of the sort of big, gnarly adopters of this technology, which is interesting. I don't- I don't know why it's a better recruitment tool for that than anything else, but--

[00:11:22] Tyson: Well, I feel like because in Canada, like, people who work at nursing homes, like, barely make a living wage, so-

[00:11:27] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:11:27] Tyson: -that may be why.

[00:11:29] Alexa: Yeah. Yeah. And I, yeah, I think it's- I think it's just similar. It's like low-wage paycheck to paycheck-

[00:11:33] Tyson: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:34] Alexa: -kind of work and you know, it's shift based. And so it's, you know, nobody's step-- nobody's got fat stacks, you know, under the mattress on this stuff. So, little extra cash a little earlier, and it probably keeps them away from shit like payday lending, which is like super predatory. It's like-

[00:11:46] Tyson: Right.

[00:11:46] Alexa: -"Hey, we'll-we'll forward you your paycheck by three days, garnish your wages if you don't pay us back and we're gonna charge you 30% for borrowing-

[00:11:52] Tyson: Like a billion percent. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:53] Alexa: Yes, but it's [crosstalk] Anyway but, um, yeah. So I thought that was fascinating. I do think it's very-- I think it's really interesting and always fun to see the market kind of innovate because it has to, right. Like this is-

[00:12:06] Tyson: Right.

[00:12:06] Alexa: -one of the things that's kind of, like, eeking out from all the movement around, like, "What do we do to attract people? Oh my God, everybody's quitting. Oh my God, the labor market sucks." So, I-I think it's fascinating to see people use this kind of stuff as benefits. And I- and I think it's probably here to stay, right? It's like, this is the kind of stuff you-

[00:12:20] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:12:20] Alexa: -keep back in the bag once people get used to it. So, I think that's pretty cool. It's all I got, Tyson.

[00:12:24] Tyson: Very cool. Very cool.

[00:12:27] Alexa: It's all I got to educate you this week.

[00:12:29] Tyson: Awesome.

[00:12:30] Alexa: All right. What's on deck, what are we doing today?

[00:12:32] Tyson: This is gonna be a bit of a gnarly episode, I think because I--

[00:12:34] Alexa: Oh.

[00:12:35] Tyson: So, basically what happened?

[00:12:36] Alexa: Gnarly good or gnarly bad or both?

[00:12:38] Tyson: I don't know. Maybe a bit of both.

[00:12:39] Alexa: All right.

[00:12:39] Tyson: I think bad. Probably bad.

[00:12:41] Alexa: Oh, okay. Okay. [laughs]

[00:12:42] Tyson: Stay tuned. No. So I was like, curious, I'm like on HR Shook. I was like, "Okay, I wanna hear some of like the craziest HR stories or situations that you've ever found yourself in." 'Cause oftentimes we, you know, we have this, like, out-of-body experience in HR where you're like, how did I get here? Like, how did I end up in this room having this conversation with these people?"

[00:12:59] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:12:59] Tyson: Or like whatever the situation is, right? And like, I, you know, I just can't believe that people do these things So I was curious to see what other people might have experienced, 'cause, like, there's nothing better than, like, a bunch of people who work in HR, getting around a table and-and sharing these stories. So, I asked people and I've also just to, like, prefaces, I've done, like, a very, like, brief look, but I wanted it to be really authentic of, like, us responding and reacting to these situations. So I hadn't, like, you could be--

[00:13:23] Alexa: Yeah. I-I have not heard any of these yet. So.

[00:13:26] Tyson: You haven't heard anything. I have only just seen a very, like, high level, like, a few keywords that shocked me, honestly. And so, yeah, so, I'm gonna read them out and we're just gonna sort of, like, respond. And maybe we have a response, maybe we don't. Maybe we're just gonna shake our heads and be like, [laughs] "What the hell is wrong with people? " Okay.

[00:13:40] Alexa: I mean, you know me, I will always give my opinion whether or not I have one, but if-if I'm allowed to pass, depending on how gnarly it is, that's-- that-that might happen, we'll see.

[00:13:48] Tyson: Like some of it is just like-

[00:13:48] Alexa: I'm a little [crosstalk]

[00:13:48] Tyson: -so maniacal like you can't- [laughs] you can't even, like, okay, here we go. Let's start.

[00:13:53] Alexa: All right. All right. All right.

[00:13:53] Tyson: And then at the end- at the end, I will tell everybody my craziest HR story about that [crosstalk] article.

[00:13:58] Alexa: Okay. All right. Cool.

[00:13:59] Tyson: Okay, cool.

[00:13:59] Alexa: All right.

[00:14:00] Tyson: Here we go.

[00:14:00] Alexa: I'll hold you to it.

[00:14:01] Tyson: All right. So first, uh, investigating an employee who tore down the office blinds, cut them up into tiny pieces, and put them into coworkers' bins.

[00:14:09] Alexa: What?


Wait, I need you to say that. I think I misheard you, say that again.

[00:14:17] Tyson: Investigating an employee who tore down the office blinds, cut them into tiny pieces, and put them in coworkers' bins. Like, I'm crying. [laughs]

[00:14:28] Alexa: Like trash bins, like, in their drawers?

[00:14:30] Tyson: No, I think, like, mail bins, they're like mailboxes.

[00:14:33] Alexa: Okay.

[00:14:34] Tyson: I literally can't.

[00:14:35] Alexa: I can't tell if I absolutely fucking love this person or if this person should be escorted from the premises immediately.

[00:14:41] Alexa: Who has the time?

[00:14:43] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:14:43] Tyson: I can't.

[00:14:44] Alexa: And like, what did the blinds do to you?

[00:14:46] Tyson: I know.

[00:14:48] Alexa: Like, what were they so mad about that the blinds was the outcome?

[00:14:49] Tyson: And blinds-blinds are expensive, like come on of all the things.

[00:14:54] Alexa: Also blinds in an office building, like, don't regularly come down. Like, unless they're like, they-they're really shitty, like vertical, old sliding ones. You know, the ones I'm talking about, like typically the same kind-

[00:15:03] Tyson: Oh, yeah.

[00:15:03] Alexa: -of building that has, like, drop ceilings and, like, cubicles, has those, like, shitty, like, 1980s, like, vertical sliding blinds.

[00:15:10] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:15:10] Alexa: But like what did the blinds do? Are you cold? Do you want more sunlight?

[00:15:14] Tyson: No.

[00:15:14] Alexa: Do you fight with your other coworkers about them being open and closed? Like why the blinds?

[00:15:19] Tyson: That's too deep for this person? I think.

[00:15:21] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:15:21] Tyson: That's bloody,that's sick.

[00:15:22] Alexa: Did we get any context or did that? No.

[00:15:24] Tyson: No, that's it. [laughs] And to have to do an investigation, like-

[00:15:29] Alexa: Oh my God.

[00:15:30] Tyson: -I can't. Okay. Okay.

[00:15:31] Alexa: I do-- I wonder if they caught the person. What would you-- If you caught the person, what would you do?

[00:15:35] Tyson: I honestly, I-I-I-I-I-- why, like, why would you do that? And we're gonna take the cost of the blinds outta your paycheck 'cause shit is expensive.

[00:15:43] Alexa: She got to go, man, I don't know.

[00:15:46] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:15:45] Alexa: That's fucking damage of property. It's also just-

[00:15:48] Tyson: Is this-

[00:15:48] Alexa: -a horrible fucking judgment, yeah.

[00:15:49] Tyson: Like, is this some sort of threat, like, putting cut-up pieces of blinds in people's bins? Like, and again, could it be the garbage bin, could be the mail bin? We don't know. But I-I interpreted it, like, someone's like, like where you put, like, mail for people. [laughs]

[00:16:02] Alexa: I interpreted it like their drawers, like, you go to ope-- You go to get a pen and it's just like, shredded blinds.


[00:16:08] Tyson: That's awesome.

[00:16:09] Alexa: Oh, amazing.

[00:16:10] Tyson: Okay. Also, this is not gonna be, uh-- this is definitely gonna be an explicit episode cause some of these things are, like I said, pretty gnarly. So just, uh, a warning there.

[00:16:17] Alexa: Oh shit.

[00:16:18] Tyson: So here we go for the next one. A guy--

[00:16:20] Alexa: Every episode is explicit.

[00:16:21] Tyson: I know. No, I know but this one, especially, like you got-

[00:16:23] Alexa: All right, all right.

[00:16:24] Tyson: -kids in the car.

[00:16:24] Alexa: All right, all right.

[00:16:25] Tyson: All right. A guy said that he didn't cheat on his girlfriend with another girl in the car park because it was only the tip.

[00:16:32] Alexa: Wait, what? A coworker that's a girl.

[00:16:35] Tyson: I'm thinking that's the situation here is that it was a coworker.

[00:16:39] Alexa: So his justification was that he's like, "I didn't cheat on my girlfriend with my coworker because it was just the tip"?

[00:16:44] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:16:45] Alexa: Wow.

[00:16:45] Tyson: Let's keep going.

[00:16:46] Alexa: Yeah.


[00:16:48] Alexa: Like, do you want me to unpack that?

[00:16:49] Tyson: Um. Fired a relative of the CEO and then there's like the clown face emoji.

[00:16:56] Alexa: Mm-hmm. Nepotism stuff.

[00:16:58] Tyson: Yeah, that's shitty, that's hard. But hopefully, you have a CEO that understands, like, if there's, like, a shitty worker, like they gotta go, right?

[00:17:05] Alexa: Well that is always the question with family, right? Is like, why are they involved? Where did they come from? Are they qualified?

[00:17:12] Tyson: Right.

[00:17:13] Alexa: Are they getting fired for the right reasons?

[00:17:15] Tyson: Like did they-

[00:17:15] Alexa: How do they take it?

[00:17:15] Tyson: -come to the company because they, maybe they weren't qualified in the first place. Like that-

[00:17:19] Alexa: Right.

[00:17:19] Tyson: -was just like--

[00:17:20] Alexa: I've definitely been in that situation.

[00:17:21] Tyson: Right. Right.

[00:17:22] Alexa: Dirty shitty?

[00:17:23] Tyson: They were brought in, they weren't qualified. Probably a lot of people said, you know, we shouldn't do this, and then--

[00:17:29] Alexa: Yap and then it still happens anyway and then it creates a bunch of shitty culture around it because everybody's like, "I don't wanna talk about this-

[00:17:35] Tyson: Exactly.

[00:17:35] Alexa: -cause he's not really qualified or she's not really qualified and I can't believe [crosstalk]."

[00:17:38] Tyson: And then like performance managing that person would really be shitty even.

[00:17:42] Alexa: Yeah. Yeah. It's not fair. It's not fair. Yeah.

[00:17:44] Tyson: Okay.

[00:17:44] Alexa: Props to that person. That sounds shitty.

[00:17:46] Tyson: Yeah, that's a tough one. Employee crapped her pants at her desk to protest schedule adherence.

[00:17:52] Alexa: What the actual fuck?


[00:17:55] Tyson: What's wrong with people? What? Like wha-- That's not-

[00:17:59] Alexa: Wow.

[00:18:00] Tyson: You're only hurting yourself.


[00:18:03] Alexa: Also like, there was no other way to protest this, your opposition to the scheduling than shit to yourself? [laughs] Like what? Like, I'm a true crime person. Occasionally, I know I get tired of it every once in a while. And you're always-

[00:18:18] Tyson: Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:18] Alexa: -the end of the episodes, like the only thing you could think of doing, was killing your husband. Like, that was it, the only fucking out you could think of? Like, the only thing you could think of was to shit yourself?


[00:18:30] Alexa: People have-- What the fuck? Okay. How many of these do we have?

[00:18:32] Tyson: It's insane.

[00:18:33] Alexa: This is insane.

[00:18:35] Tyson: I have a lot, but so-

[00:18:36] Alexa: Okay, all right.

[00:18:36] Tyson: -we'll just sort of go like lightning speed through them here.

[00:18:39] Alexa: Okay. All right. [laughs]

[00:18:40] Tyson: I found someone from the facilities team painting a wall in his boxers. He got to keep his job.

[00:18:46] Alexa: Was it particularly warm?

[00:18:47] Tyson: Was it too hot?

[00:18:49] Alexa: Yeah, like-

[00:18:49] Tyson: Is too hot in there, maybe like, is, like, needs some ventilation-

[00:18:52] Alexa: Was it after hours?

[00:18:52] Tyson: -or something painting?

[00:18:53] Alexa: Does he live there?

[00:18:53] Tyson: I don't know.

[00:18:54] Alexa: Yeah, wait, what?

[00:18:56] Tyson: Is he also living in the building?

[00:18:58] Alexa: So many questions. Guys, when-when you answer Tyson's questions online, more contexts.

[00:19:03] Tyson: More contexts.

[00:19:04] Alexa: He's gone.

[00:19:05] Tyson: They would've some amount of space though, right?

[00:19:07] Alexa: Oh, that's true.

[00:19:07] Tyson: When you put it in. Sometimes people message me on the side and they're like, "I didn't have enough space," but okay. Manager started cheating on his wife with a coworker worker and he-- They found out when he was fired.

[00:19:18] Alexa: The wife found out when he was fired?

[00:19:18] Tyson: Yes, the wife- the wife found out. Found out [crosstalk].

[00:19:21] Alexa: Or like everybody found out about the whole fucking thing.

[00:19:22] Tyson: Maybe everybody. The HR team probably found out when he was fired that this affair was happening. I wonder why he was fired. This is kind of bad news.

[00:19:29] Alexa: It's like, if it's consensual, I don't know. Do people still have policies about that shit? I don't know how that works. Like no fraternizing-

[00:19:35] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:19:35] Alexa: -colleagues. How does that work though?

[00:19:37] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:19:37] Alexa: One outta three marriages starts at work. Did you know that?

[00:19:40] Tyson: No. And like that's-that's obviously and that's fine but I think the policies are usually is that you have to like-

[00:19:46] Alexa: Disclose it.

[00:19:46] Tyson: -let people know.

[00:19:46] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:19:48] Tyson: You have to disclose it. Yeah. Especially if it's in a situation where it's like a-a power dissonance thing. Client asked if could terminate two employees for having sex while on a business trip. No, I think that goes back to our previous one.

[00:20:01] Alexa: With-with the client?

[00:20:02] Tyson: No, no, like two of them were doing it. I guess he asked if they could fire them, but I guess people meet at work, I don't know maybe that's the situation.

[00:20:09] Alexa: Okay, wait a minute. So you're-- so these two people went to visit a client and on that visit-

[00:20:13] Tyson: On a business trip.

[00:20:14] Alexa: -they slept together without the client?

[00:20:17] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:20:16] Alexa: And the client was like, "Can you fire them? They slept together while visiting me."

[00:20:19] Tyson: Yeah, tha-that's how I interpret it, it's like is the client's business?

[00:20:22] Alexa: The client, you should butt the fuck out.

[00:20:24] Tyson: Yeah, butt out.


[00:20:26] Alexa: Butt out, bro. Uh, yeah, no, that sounds silly.

[00:20:30] Tyson: Uh, having a police officer arrest a guy with a warrant while he was working.

[00:20:35] Alexa: Mm, that actually just happened to my brother not that long ago. They had to let someone go for very legitimate reasons like lack of performance. Gave him all the heads up all the things and he like lost it. Came back to the office was like threatening the CEO, like had to call the cops like, it was fucking crazy. Yeah.

[00:20:53] Tyson: Yeah, that is- that is always awkward and crazy.

[00:20:54] Alexa: She like- she like chased the CEO in the parking lot and shit, it was fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah it was nuts.

[00:20:58] Tyson: Oh, my God.

[00:20:59] Alexa: Followed him to his car. And yeah, the guy just like,-

[00:21:01] Tyson: Wow.

[00:21:02] Alexa: -clearly needs some help and support but yeah, it was crazy.

[00:21:05] Tyson: Wow. Yeah.

[00:21:06] Alexa: Just-just another day at the office.

[00:21:07] Tyson: Um, Yeah, seriously. So this person works in trucking.

[00:21:13] Alexa: Nice, huh.

[00:21:13] Tyson: The driver sent- the driver sent me a video of himself driving while hanging out the open truck door. That's clearly a health and safety issue there.

[00:21:25] Alexa: Yeah, OSHA doesn't love that. Again, I feel like this is all like, okay, did they send that to the HR person? And were they friends with the-the HR person?

[00:21:33] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:21:34] Alexa: In which case, maybe the lines were a little blurred there. Also like,--

[00:21:38] Tyson: Yeah, and this person maybe I don't know, if they maybe they,-- I-I would assume that they work in HR. But that's almost like a, "Hey, look at me, I'm doing something against the rules, and you should fire me."

[00:21:45] Alexa: And I'm sending it to HR. Like, I'm-I'm-I'm taunting you. I don't know, that one is just a little interesting.

[00:21:50] Tyson: Yeah. That's very much taunting.

[00:21:52] Alexa: But again, what's the relationship with the person they sent it to? It's different if they like put it on social media and you're like, "Bro, you can't be hanging out of like truck doors on the highway on your social media. Like when the truck door says our company name on it." But it's weird that they sent it to them.

[00:22:06] Tyson: Yeah, that's like bizarre.

[00:22:07] Alexa: I don't-- like you wouldn't randomly send to your HR team, like you fucking off. Like, what?

[00:22:10] Tyson: No, that bizarre. Yeah. [chuckles]

[00:22:14] Alexa: So weird.

[00:22:15] Tyson: It's so weird.

[00:22:15] Alexa: [crosstalk] He was-- that's weird.

[00:22:17] Tyson: Okay, maybe this is a long one, this is one where they sent me like multiple entries.

[00:22:20] Alexa: I'm ready.

[00:22:21] Tyson: Maybe not crazy, but blew me away at the time. Sitting in a meeting room with my male boss and his male boss, who was also the CHRO. CHRO and boss are talking about HR and LR networking events and pros and cons of each. CHRO eventually makes a comment that LR events are better because I mean because, "I mean, you just need to be a woman to be a CHRO." I left the company six months later. That doesn't make sense to me because the male is the CHRO.

[00:22:49] Alexa: Isn't the CHRO, yeah, a dude? Also, what's the LR in that sentence?

[00:22:53] Tyson: Yeah. LR, uh, labor relations.

[00:22:54] Alexa: Oh, oh. Oh, oh sorry. Yeah, okay fascinating.

[00:22:58] Tyson: Yeah. Like labor relations versus HR, yeah.

[00:23:01] Alexa: Well, everyone in that situation sucks. [laughs] There's a lot of things wrong with that story, but that-that's fucking stupid.

[00:23:08] Tyson: Yeah, and good for you for leaving. Like, if you hear comments like that just get the fuck out.

[00:23:11] Alexa: Yeah, get the fuck out. Yep, amen to that, get the fuck out.

[00:23:15] Tyson: Tale as old as time CEO bangs junior person.

[00:23:20] Alexa: That's it. That's the whole thing? That is literally the tale as old as time.

[00:23:26] Tyson: They were canned.

[00:23:27] Alexa: Yeah, yes. The CEO or the junior person?

[00:23:31] Tyson: The CEO, I think.

[00:23:31] Alexa: Or both? Are you sure? I don't know, I feel like it's always the junior person that gets like--

[00:23:36] Tyson: I know. I'm gonna like assume the best here that I was the CEO.

[00:23:41] Alexa: That got canned?

[00:23:42] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:23:43] Alexa: Again, I-I guess the CEO is different. The CEO should not be sleeping with anybody.

[00:23:48] Tyson: No, they shouldn't. That was like actually like a huge debate something happened I forget what company it was. And the CEO had a relationship with his admin assistant. It was big in the news a while back, and they just kind of like were saying that there's no matter what even if it's consensual, that there's such a power dissidence that like cannot be consensual? Like, there's like a whole question around that.

[00:24:07] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:24:07] Tyson: And yeah, won't go down that for today. Um--

[00:24:07] Alexa: Even if it's not the-- like the admin even if it's like-like someone who runs a department, it's just like, keep it in your pants 'til somebody leaves.

[00:24:18] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:24:17] Alexa: Like if you really like each other that much make big adult decisions and move on.

[00:24:21] Tyson: Seriously. This one's funny because like sometimes I'm sure we can all relate to this the feeling that this person would have had to have to do what she did. Okay, an employee was peeing in the trash can in her office because [laughs] she had too many meetings. [laughs] Now, I've never done that, okay? But--

[00:24:36] Alexa: I've contemplated it, I've never done it.

[00:24:38] Tyson: I've definitely thought about installing a potty next to my desk.

[00:24:42] Alexa: Yes, yes.

[00:24:44] Tyson: I've been in that situation with the back to back.

[00:24:46] Alexa: I've definitely also thought about like putting it on mute running to the bathroom with my headset on. And then running back like when I was still in offices. Like-like, oh God, like I have to be on this. But yeah, I think yeah, I think you're just mute, dip come back and you're like, "Sorry, I lost connection."

[00:25:02] Tyson: Exactly, exactly. Or just like say, you know, we're human here like, "Can you just give me five seconds to have a quick break.

[00:25:07] Alexa: Yeah, a bio break.

[00:25:08] Tyson: A quick bio break?"

[00:25:08] Alexa: Everybody knows what a bio break is.

[00:25:09] Tyson: Yeah, yeah. Like it's anyways, all right.

[00:25:13] Alexa: That's what I mean. That's like a weird-- that weird judgment, right? Because it's like you can just be a human and if you can't just be five minutes late to a meeting and apologize like maybe you're not so good at like pushing back on other things, you know.

[00:25:22] Tyson: Right, right. Yeah, stand up yourself, take a bathroom break. Okay, second shift caught someone drinking on the job. I actually ran into that situation once. I wasn't working in HR.

[00:25:33] Alexa: Define drinking on a job.

[00:25:34] Tyson: So here I'll-I'll-I'll share my story on this one. So I wasn't in HR, I was just-- I was working front desk at a gym and, um, one of the other-- I was alone, like it was like, really late at night. The facility sort of shuts down except there's a volleyball thing that was coming in like some sort of adult course that comes in. And the guy who runs the course came in every night like reeking of alcohol and like clearly intoxicated. And he is technically like the-the first aider, right? So if someone's having a heart attack, he's responsible for like the first aid and like responding.

I was just there sitting at the front. Anyway, so I eventually I-I-I ratted on him and he got suspended. He didn't get fired, but he was suspended for a while.

[00:26:11] Alexa: Yeah, well, if he was in any other capacity, I'd say maybe you just see how it goes or that's his problem. But the fact he's in a first aid capacity, that's--

[00:26:18] Tyson: Right. Yeah, like if anything was to go wrong, like--

[00:26:22] Alexa: So it's also, this gets tough because I feel like lines on this stuff can get blurred with like social shit that happens at the office. So like, I was like, when I was in sales, like, you know, sometimes there were days where four o'clock everybody finished their shit. We'd all like crack beers in the office and hang out, whatever. And then it's like, okay, now the question is, if Blake stands up at three o'clock and goes to get a beer, knowing we're all about to do it in an hour, is it too early for him to be doing that?

And then you're like, okay, but now I saw him do it like, there's definitely vodka in his coffee that's too far. But like, where is the line?

[00:26:50] Tyson: Yeah. And is it like a problem, right? 'Cause that's-that's the other thing like does this person have a drinking problem? Because then you have to make sure that you're giving them help, and like that sort of thing.

[00:26:58] Alexa: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:58] Tyson: Like you can't fire someone for having a drinking problem, right?

[00:27:00] Alexa: Well, it's also like, I mean, I've definitely had co-workers I know were using drugs on the job. I've definitely had co-workers I know were like abusing various substances. And it's just like, is it affecting their job?

[00:27:11] Tyson: Right.

[00:27:11] Alexa: I couldn't tell you, truly don't know.

[00:27:13] Tyson: Right.

[00:27:13] Alexa: Like, who am I to say? Might be making him better right now, I don't know. That's tough.

[00:27:17] Tyson: Yeah. All right--

[00:27:18] Alexa: But pour-pouring vodka in your coffee is usually a red flag.

[00:27:21] Tyson: That's a red flag. I would say for sure, yeah. [laughs] Okay, uni--

[00:27:26] Alexa: Free lunch is a flag.

[00:27:28] Tyson: Yeah. Yeah. Union employee turned in a receipt for THC gummies on an expense report. There was a massive investigation. Yeah.

[00:27:37] Alexa: This feels- this feels old because we don't care about weed anymore. Um--

[00:27:40] Tyson: Yeah, but like buy your own damn weed. Like--

[00:27:42] Alexa: Maybe it was just some-- maybe. I mean, maybe it's just maybe it was either, one, seeing what he can get away with. Two. it was a mistake, or three, e's-- it was medicinal, I don't know. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

[00:27:52] Tyson: Maybe?

[00:27:53] Alexa: I don't know.

[00:27:54] Tyson: Last one. Employees not doing their job and acting like they're gonna get away with it. [Laughs] "I'll catch you my pretty," like that's what I imagine the HR people are like. Literally, "You think- you think you could get away with this?"

[00:28:09] Alexa: Just-just Greenskin sitting back there like, "Uh-huh I find you."

[00:28:14] Tyson: Catch you, slackers.

[00:28:16] Alexa: Lol. I just love that, that's like their craziest response like, "Oh, the craziest thing that's ever happened to me it's like I caught someone."

[00:28:23] Tyson: Think you're gonna get away with it? That's the best part. Think they're gonna get away with it. All right a drunk temp trying to fight me. Scary.

[00:28:30] Alexa: Oh.

[00:28:31] Tyson: A lady with free breathalyzer here and an arrow pointing down. I don't know what the hell that means. A guy showing up with a knife to profess his love to a coworker with his wife.

[00:28:40] Alexa: Oh, I think that was a t-shirt that someone wore to the office, the one before that?

[00:28:44] Tyson: Uh, I don't even get these references. Oh, free breathalyzer here, oh, I get it. Ew.

[00:28:48] Alexa: Yeah. And then an arrow pointing up or an arrow pointing down?

[00:28:51] Tyson: Arrow pointing down. But it's like a lady.

[00:28:53] Alexa: Yeah. Mm-hmm, do that math. Free breathalyzer arrow pointing down?

[00:28:58] Tyson: Um, don't you blow into a breathalyzer?


[00:29:03] Alexa: I can't- I can't explain this any further.

[00:29:05] Tyson: I don't wanna know, okay.

[00:29:07] Alexa: It's very dirty.

[00:29:09] Tyson: I don't want to know.

[00:29:09] Alexa: It's not work appropriate for a T-shirt, is what I'll say.

[00:29:11] Tyson: Okay. Okay, okay. A guy is showing up with a knife to profess his love to a co-worker with his wife. Wow.

[00:29:17] Alexa: Wait. What? With a knife?

[00:29:19] Tyson: He's with his wife. No.

[00:29:21] Alexa: With a knife?

[00:29:21] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:29:21] Alexa: Or with his wife?

[00:29:23] Tyson: He's got a knife and he's with his wife.

[00:29:26] Alexa: I can't [crosstalk]

[00:29:26] Tyson: And he's there to profess his love to someone else. [laughs]

[00:29:30] Alexa: To profess his love to someone else? Or to profess his love to his wife in front of someone else?

[00:29:32] Tyson: Yeah, someone else I think. To a co-worker with, in capslocks his wife.

[00:29:40] Alexa: Why the knife?

[00:29:42] Tyson: I don't know.

[00:29:43] Alexa: What the fuck?

[00:29:43] Tyson: Hopefully, he's not like--

[00:29:43] Alexa: What the fuck?

[00:29:44] Tyson: I don't know people are messed up.

[00:29:46] Tyson: Um, okay, let's keep rolling here. Custodial staff cleaning while nude.

[00:29:50] Alexa: Again, is it hot in there?


[00:29:52] Tyson: You should check your thermostats.

[00:29:55] Alexa: Yes. Check your thermostats shit is cray.

[00:29:59] Tyson: Introducing gender pronouns to cis male CEO who asks to be referred to as Z because it's cool. The fuck.

[00:30:08] Alexa: The guy is just a dick, whatever.

[00:30:10] Tyson: That's-- What a dick, yeah seriously. Having to--

[00:30:12] Alexa: It's toned up. It's not [crosstalk].

[00:30:14] Tyson: Yeah, it is toned up.

[00:30:15] Alexa: It's toned up.

[00:30:15] Tyson: Having to talk to an employee about why they were pooping on the floor of the washroom.


I've had-- I've had situations like this--

[00:30:24] Alexa: I just smacked my face on my microphone.

[00:30:27] Tyson: No, so I've ha-- I had a-a situation not similar, not really but this guy who used to pee on like the wall and I had lots of complaints about it. And I had to tell the manager to have a conversation with this guy.

[00:30:38] Alexa: Like in the bathroom like he'd miss a little bit or like?

[00:30:41] Tyson: I guess- I guess he would just like get it all over the place. It's like on the wall and on the floor and it just like was everywhere. And like a lot of guys were coming to me like grossed out by this 'cause it was just like obviously unhygienic and I--

[00:30:50] Alexa: Why are they coming to you for that shit?

[00:30:52] Tyson: Because no one knows. So what I did is I had to coach the manager on how to have the conversation with this guy. And oh my God the manager was like one of my BFFs at my-my previous company and it was so funny. I'm like, "Look, I-I have a situation that you need to address." Oh, it was crazy.

[00:31:07] Alexa: Oh my God.

[00:31:08] Tyson: Um--

[00:31:08] Alexa: Wait. Can you read that for me again with the pooping on the floor?

[00:31:12] Tyson: Yeah. Having to talk to an employee about why they were pooping on the floor of the washroom. That shouldn't start with a why. Just don't-- I don't wanna know why. Just don’t.


[00:31:22] Alexa: Yeah. Exactly. Maybe the why is not where we need to go with that conversation. Yeah, maybe there's no purpose behind this that's worth knowing.

[00:31:30] Tyson: That's so funny. Okay.

[00:31:32] Alexa: Wait. It sounds like this person was doing it multiple times though.

[00:31:35] Tyson: Yeah. Maybe.

[00:31:36] Alexa: Like it was their preferred location.

[00:31:38] Tyson: Spot. [laughs]

[00:31:40] Alexa: Wow, I don't know, man. That's-- Sometimes I'm like okay, this is crazy. And sometimes I'm like, that's kind of like a big red flag.

[00:31:46] Tyson: Huge red flag. Yeah.

[00:31:47] Alexa: Like, somebody is not all right if they're doing that.

[00:31:49] Tyson: Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:50] Alexa: They're not understanding that that's not normal.

[00:31:53] Tyson: Oh, it's crazy.

[00:31:54] Alexa: All right. Fuck.

[00:31:55] Tyson: HR coworker found asleep at their desk, brackets drunk. And it was an executive member that found them. We all have those days.

[00:32:05] Alexa: Mm, I was gonna say I--

[00:32:06] Tyson: HR is tough, man. After I've had to have the talk about why are you pooping on the floor, [laughs]

[00:32:13] Alexa: Yes.

[00:32:13] Tyson: -you need a glass of wine after that one.

[00:32:15] Alexa: Exactly. It was- it was- it was the same employee who had to talk to the guy about shitting on the floor. And I'm not mad at this person.

[00:32:22] Tyson: Drink myself numb [unintelligible 00:32:23].


[00:32:25] Alexa: How did I get here? What choices did I make?

[00:32:31] Tyson: Exactly.

[00:32:32] Alexa: I don't know though. But to be fair everybody goes out and drinks. It-- Sometimes people, especially depends how old they are, depends on the context. Like, you know, I've definitely had bad mornings where I've walked in and I've been like you think I'm coherent and I'm not. Like not recently but--

[00:32:48] Tyson: No, I had one of those and I kept-- I-I literally I had kept my-- My laptop was at work so I had to go in and I was like really, really, really-- I had drank way too much the night before. I literally walked in the building. I kept my sunglasses on the entire time. I walked right up to my desk, grabbed my computer and walked out. I had my sunglasses on the whole time. It's so embarrassing to do that. Very unlike me, okay.

[00:33:08] Alexa: That's what I mean. Everybody-everybody gets one you know.

[00:33:11] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:33:11] Alexa: It's like if that person is doing that regularly then like the fact they're an executive, then shit matters but like you know, [crosstalk]

[00:33:16] Tyson: Or the executive found them. That person just got caught, right? Like that's--

[00:33:20] Alexa: Uh, right.

[00:33:20] Tyson: Yeah it's not good.

[00:33:20] Alexa: You know, shit happens. People have ba-- Who knows, the guy just had a fucking divorce.

[00:33:31] Tyson: Clearly, shit happens. [laughs]

[00:33:25] Alexa: Who the fucking-- Yes, on the floor sometimes.


[00:33:28] Alexa: Often shit happens on the floor. Okay, all right. Um--

[00:33:34] Alexa: Next time you have to warn me before we do this.


[00:33:37] Tyson: I know, it's so funny. Okay, payroll made a mistake with a payment two years ago and I, as the HR business partner need to go back and ask for the money back. I need to go and ask for the money back. That sucks. I've had to make that-- have that discussion.

[00:33:51] Alexa: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So they--

[00:33:53] Tyson: They paid someone too much money two years ago.

[00:33:55] Alexa: Okay.

[00:33:56] Tyson: Payroll did and now the H-- 'Cause payroll made a mistake and now the business partner has to go and find that person and be like, "Hey, we made a mistake two years ago and we're actually gonna need to take that money back."

[00:34:04] Alexa: There's a lot I would unpack there. I think it depends how much, how big was the fuckup, how regular was it? Like if you fucked up on one paycheck two years ago, like common law bitch, that shit's mine. Yeah, I think you should-- I think you just eat that as a company instead of going to that employee and risking looking like assholes.

[00:34:20] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:34:21] Alexa: Um, and being like, we're the employer that claws back when we fuck up. Like, mm-mm.

[00:34:24] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:34:24] Alexa: I don't know. I mean, if it's a lot of money and it's over extended period of time maybe the employee probably knew, then that's different. But like one-one payment two years ago.

[00:34:32] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:34:32] Alexa: Like su-suck it up. It's-- We're wasting more HR-- more HR's time clawing that back than you're gonna [crosstalk].

[00:34:36] Tyson: I know the cost to do that. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

[00:34:37] Alexa: Yeah, stupidly stupid. Penny wise and dollar foolish.

[00:34:40] Tyson: Okay. Owner forcing employees to share hotel rooms with him on travel and walking around naked.

[00:34:47] Alexa: Yeah, that's a red flag. So as an owner, I have definitely stayed in hotel rooms with colleagues and even when I wasn't an owner. I've-I've definitely shared hotel rooms with colleagues. It's super economical depending on what you're doing and where you're going. I will say I am always very open with like, you do not have to share a room. If that makes you uncomfortable you can stay with another colleague or we don't have to. And that is like not yey. I-I don't know.

[00:35:09] Tyson: I didn't know that that was a thing. Like I only recently found out that when you go on like work trips you share rooms with colleagues. Like my company like were before,-

[00:35:17] Alexa: Yep. It's not super uncommon.

[00:35:19] Tyson: -pre-pandemic like where that I was working at. Like, we would never ever, ever, ever, ever be expected to do that. Like it was not even a chance. And they were-- Like they-- They weren't like. It wasn't like they like blew money around. Like they were like pretty uh, pretty cheap company in a good way but like, yeah, anyways.

[00:35:36] Alexa: Yeah, we-we started poker a little grittier than most.

[00:35:39] Tyson: Yeah. No.

[00:35:39] Alexa: But I think it just depends. You gotta make sure what people are comfortable with. And it's not ideal. I don't think anybody does it 'cause they like prefer to do it. Uh, it also just like in New York for example. It's like really fucking hard to find hotel rooms-

[00:35:48] Tyson: Super expensive too.

[00:35:49] Alexa: -for a lot of people and it's super expensive.

[00:35:50] Tyson: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:51] Alexa: Just depends where you're at and what the context is. Yeah.

[00:35:53] Tyson: All right. Well, so if you got to share rooms do it respectfully and-

[00:35:57] Alexa: Exactly.

[00:35:57] Tyson: -no walking around naked and set up some ground rules before you go in with that person. All right.

[00:36:01] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:36:01] Tyson: While pregnant, I had to terminate another pregnant lady. She threw a chair at me.

[00:36:07] Alexa: Oh. Did she know you were pregnant?

[00:36:09] Tyson: Christ.

[00:36:10] Alexa: Good lord. A chair.

[00:36:11] Tyson: Yeah, that would be could be a whole other episode. Is like injuries during termination meetings. I'm sure.

[00:36:18] Alexa: I'm scared for the answers you get to that one.

[00:36:20] Tyson: Crazy.

[00:36:21] Alexa: Um, Jesus.

[00:36:22] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:36:23] Alexa: Threw a chair. Jesus Christ.

[00:36:25] Tyson: Imagine at a pregnant person and the pregnant person is throwing the chair.

[00:36:28] Alexa: From a pregnant person. Yeah.

[00:36:29] Tyson: Like that is not okay.

[00:36:30] Alexa: Like battle of the pregnant ladies. What the fuck?

[00:36:33] Tyson: Yeah, seriously.

[00:36:34] Alexa: I just that-- but-- Mm, I don't know. I don't-don't want-- It's too hard to say 'cause there's no-no details on these. But like you know, that rarely serves you well, you know.

[00:36:43] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:36:43] Alexa: Overreacting like that.

[00:36:44] Tyson: Although, as someone who was recently pregnant, sometimes your hormones can get the best of you.

[00:36:48] Alexa: Oh.

[00:36:49] Tyson: I might have thrown a thing or two at my husband-

[00:36:51] Alexa: I did wanna say that.

[00:36:51] Tyson: -during my pregnancy but, [laughs] um--

[00:36:54] Alexa: He signed up-- But he signed up for that shit.

[00:36:55] Tyson: He signed up for it, yeah.

[00:36:56] Alexa: So just do your part mother fucker.

[00:36:58] Tyson: Yeah exactly. All right. Employees' fistfights at 7:20 AM are always a great way to start the day.

[00:37:06] Alexa: Good Lord. What-what the fuck could they possibly be fist fighting about?

[00:37:09] Tyson: I just like can't imagine like the comfort that people have like to do some of this stuff at-- in a workplace. Like I don’t know.

[00:37:16] Alexa: That's what I mean. Some of these boundaries. I'm like what the fuck?

[00:37:19] Tyson: [laughs] Yeah, I know. I know. One employee threatened someone with a knife. This apparently was not his first time.

[00:37:25] Alexa: Oh my God.

[00:37:27] Tyson: Talk about red flag.

[00:37:28] Alexa: Oh, my God.

[00:37:30] Tyson: That's like immediate termination. Like get the heck out.

[00:37:33] Alexa: But like to be fair, I've never lived or never worked in a concealed carry state. Like can you imagine where you're just like allowed to put a fucking gun on your holster? I bet people are professional shit in those offices 'cause they're just like, I don't know. Everybody is strapped. I'm not fucking anything up. Be real nice everybody.

[00:37:48] Tyson: As a Canadian- As a Canadian, I can't even-

[00:37:53] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:37:54] Tyson: -like fathom. I can't even fathom that.

[00:37:54] Alexa: We got lots of guns and knives here it's not- it's not that uncommon.

[00:37:56] Tyson: Yeah, no, I couldn't even imagine. Like if I saw someone with a gun like I would immediately think that I was going to be killed. Like I--

[00:38:03] Alexa: But knives are like stiffly like, I'm yeah, I'm from Pennsylvania we-we got a lot of hunters and-- We got all-- we got all that stuff. And knives are like not super uncommon. Like, you know, carry them around but they have a lot of utility truthfully. Just depends like--

[00:38:15] Tyson: [unintelligible 00:38:15] blade.

[00:38:16] Alexa: Yeah, just like so like a utility knife. You know, like something that you click open and it, you know, cut ropes or whatever.

[00:38:21] Tyson: Oh, yeah. Like my papa used to carry something like that. Like you like could flip it and like all these things come out. Like a nail file.

[00:38:28] Alexa: Was it an army knife?

[00:38:29] Tyson: A knife, a little screwdriver.

[00:38:31] Alexa: Yeah, so-so army knife. Yeah.

[00:38:32] Tyson: [laughs] Yeah, okay.

[00:38:33] Alexa: Yeah, yeah, so I think it depends what kind of knife. Like a kitchen knife, like a butcher knife or like a fucking pocket knife.

[00:38:38] Tyson: Yeah. Okay, like a Crocodile Dundee knife.

[00:38:41] Alexa: Less threatening. Yes, for sure.

[00:38:43] Tyson: An unknown employee smearing poop on the bathroom wall--

[00:38:48] Alexa: With all the fucking feces. Jesus Christ.

[00:38:51] Tyson: Okay. No, again, I'll have a little anecdote here. I actually had someone who did this in my high school and they used to write on the walls using their own poop. Poop bandit. It was so bad. It was in the girls' washroom. It was so bad that the vice principals had to take turns guarding the female washrooms. So like there'd always be like teachers in the female washroom guarding them. And then-

[00:39:13] Alexa: What the actual fuck?

[00:39:14] Tyson: -and then the per- the person who was doing it left our school and went to a different school and did it there. 'Cause my BFF went to the other school, the other high school-

[00:39:23] Alexa: So did you know who it was?

[00:39:23] Tyson: -and she did it there too. Yeah, we-we figured out who it was 'cause she left our school and went to a different school and did the same thing there.

[00:39:30] Alexa: Fucking psycho.

[00:39:32] Tyson: I know.

[00:39:32] Alexa: What on earth? Wait, I mean, I don't know.

[00:39:34] Tyson: You got to get the EAP involved okay. Like this is insane.


[00:39:37] Alexa: So one thing you should call your EAP for.

[00:39:40] Tyson: Call your EAP. We don’t know how to deal with it.

[00:39:42] Alexa: [crosstalk] poop-- smeared poop on the walls.

[00:39:45] Tyson: Yeah, that's so funny.

[00:39:47] Alexa: But again that's like- that's like a fucking big red flag. Like what?

[00:39:50] Tyson: It's a big. But also like I hope this person can get the help that they need, like-like all through.

[00:39:54] Alexa: Yeah, that's what I had to say about all of the people that are pooping in all of the wrong places and all of the people matter stories. Is I hope that you called your EAP.

[00:40:02] Tyson: Yes, seriously.

[00:40:03] Alexa: For some help.

[00:40:02] Tyson: Okay. And then the last one, it's just this poor soul just sad just every single day.

[00:40:11] Alexa: Oh, get out baby boy, you girl. Get the fuck out. Just quit.

[00:40:16] Tyson: I know I'm like you need a new job.

[00:40:17] Alexa: Go teach yoga or something. Fuck, it's not that bad.

[00:40:19] Tyson: It's not something bad. It's not. It's not that bad. Oh man, that was so funny.

[00:40:23] Alexa: Oh, that's so- that's so sad. I wanna hug that person.

[00:40:27] Tyson I know.

[00:40:27] Alexa: It's okay. It's not that bad. Come hang out with Tyson and I on this podcast, we'll make you laugh and-and it will remind you it's not all bad.

[00:40:34] Tyson: That was hilarious. Okay.

[00:40:35] Alexa: Uh, that was [crosstalk]

[00:40:35] Tyson: So wait, now I promise that I would tell mine, so I'll tell mine now.

[00:40:38] Alexa: You did. Wait, you're-- So this is your craziest story ever?

[00:40:41] Tyson: Definitely wa-- Like definitely my story where like I'll-I'll zoom out and be like, how the fuck did I get into this position?

[00:40:47] Alexa: Okay.

[00:40:48] Tyson: So, um, and it's been long enough, so I don't-- I-I can tell it. So there was a situation where a manager came to me and was like, "I was sent these messages, I think by mistake." And it was messages between two employees, like a male and a-a female. And what had happened was they were like sexual. It was a sexual discussion that happened over Skype on like our work computer.

[00:41:12] Alexa: ASL question mark?

[00:41:13] Tyson: Yeah. so it had been sent to her and she's like, "How the fuck? Like, why did this get sent to me?" Like, this was like the-the guy's boss. Okay?

[00:41:22] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:41:22] Tyson: And I'm like, that's like really strange. So I had to call him in and be like, "WTF, like what's going on here?" His wife had gotten his phone, gotten ahold of his phone, screenshotted the messages, and sent them savage-

[00:41:35] Alexa: [crosstalk]

[00:41:35] Tyson: -to his boss. No, to his boss.

[00:41:37] Alexa: Oh to his boss. And the boss was like-

[00:41:38] Tyson: It was the boss who came to me.

[00:41:40] Alexa: Oh, what?

[00:41:41] Tyson: Could you imagine?

[00:41:41] Alexa: What? Oh, wow. That is- that is amazing.

[00:41:44] Tyson: That's a good trick. That's a good trick though. Watch out to my husband.

[00:41:46] Alexa: That's dark.

[00:41:47] Tyson: Honestly. That's like, it's like a real dark.

[00:41:49] Alexa: That's some Shonda Rhimes shit there. Jesus.

[00:41:53] Tyson: So, so anyways, so that was, that was a [unintelligible 00:41:55]

[00:41:55] Alexa: Oh, passive-aggressive.

[00:41:57] Tyson: I had to have like the conversation with him to be like, "Oh, you shouldn't really be doing this, like over like work stuff." Like again it sounds like my place-

[00:42:02] Alexa: Cyber sexting.

[00:42:04] Tyson: Yeah. It's not my place to get involved here, but like, let's just not. And I thought that that was the end of it. But then the girl comes to me and is like, "Okay, like I know that you know about this." And like, there was a whole situation. She's like, "I don't wanna be involved with him anymore. But like, you know, like this it's-it's just become this whole thing.

And I'm afraid of his wife, like she's been threatening me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

[00:42:26] Alexa: [crosstalk]

[00:42:26] Tyson: And I'm like, "What the hell?" So I actually had to have a mediation conversation between the two employees, okay. To say like, "All right, you guys are not a thing. Like you are not. Like nothing's happening." 'Cause they both wanted me to sit down in a room and like me to be present while they made it clear to one another that there was nothing going on between them.

[00:42:48] Alexa: What?

[00:42:48] Tyson: I think like what-what, this is what the suspicion was 'cause the girl was actually someone who I had like a- like a very-- like an office level of friendship with.

[00:42:57] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:42:57] Tyson: Like I was like really surprised by it. But anyways, so what she think-thinks had happened was that he had recorded the conversation and then sent that back to his wife. Because when I was having my conversation with him, he actually asked me to e-mail his wife or to call his wife and say that there was nothing going on with him and this other woman.

[00:43:21] Alexa: Mm.

[00:43:21] Tyson: And I was like the HR representative to say that like there was nothing going on. I'm like, "What the hell?" Anyways, and he cried and it was like really heartbreaking. Like I'm like why am I getting--

[00:43:29] Alexa: Do you think he was just like stirring up shit to get his wife's attention or something?

[00:43:32] Tyson: No, like, so he was there like on assignment as well. So like, it was like a situation where like his wife was like back home and like he was there on assignment. And um, but yeah, so like, it was- it was like bizarre that I'm sitting in this room while these two are kind of like hashing out like they're like, I don't know if they were breaking up.

[00:43:47] Alexa: Their non- relationship, relationship.

[00:43:49] Tyson: Or if they were just saying that they like, yeah. But like o-- like, everyone knew about it.

[00:43:54] Alexa: So-so the girl was like--

[00:43:54] Tyson: 'Cause it's like they were together all the time.

[00:43:54] Alexa: -looking at the guy and was like, "I want to be clear. We sexted a bunch, but there's nothing going on."

[00:44:00] Tyson: There's nothing going on. Yeah. Exactly.

[00:44:02] Alexa: And he's sitting there, like, "I agree. There's nothing going on here,-

[00:44:04] Tyson: Right. Right.

[00:44:06] Alexa: -but I just wanted to make sure my wife knew about it and got extra pissed."

[00:44:09] Tyson: Right, right, right, right. And there were so many messages like between the two of them.

[00:44:12] Alexa: Oh my God.

[00:44:13] Tyson: And like they hung out all the time. Like it was so obvious, but it was just like one of those like weird situations--

[00:44:16] Alexa: And they never hooked up?

[00:44:17] Tyson: I'm sure I have no idea, but it's just like one of those you're sitting there with this person.

[00:44:20] Alexa: I don't know. Was there smoke or fire on this one usually?

[00:44:23] Tyson: Yeah. But I'm like sitting there I'm like, "How did I--" And like I was young too. Like, this is like when I was like a baby HR and I'm like, "Hell, like, can somebody air like airlift me outta here? Like how did I get into this situation? Like I should not be present during this very intimate conversation that these people are having." But so that was one-

[00:44:40] Alexa: Also--

[00:44:40] Tyson: -of my weirder situations.

[00:44:42] Alexa: That's just a weird situation in general, like young, that young. It's a--

[00:44:44] Tyson: It really is.

[00:44:46] Alexa: I just also it's like, not really the employer's place like--

[00:44:49] Tyson: No, no. And I had zero place to be there.

[00:44:51] Alexa: [crosstalk] take your shit elsewhere, and like, don't bring this shit to work.

[00:44:56] Tyson: Yeah, and-- So what I had said is because like, what had happened is like the woman felt like threatened because like his wife was getting onto like his Skype and was like sending her threatening messages. So like my place in that whole conversation was like, it's my like part of my job to make sure that people feel safe coming into work.

[00:45:11] Alexa: Sure.

[00:45:11] Tyson: And like that-- like this can't happen. So all I'm saying is just keep it off of Skype. I don't care. Like, do you do your thing? Like this is your personal affairs, but like you like do it on Skype.

[00:45:22] Alexa: But I'm sorry. You start- you start- you start sexting with a married male coworker. And then it's-it's your team and your HRs job to make you feel safe when his wife starts threatening you? Like, I'm sorry, no.

[00:45:33] Tyson: Its bloodlines. Yeah.

[00:45:35] Alexa: You-you-you made that bed you lay in, baby girl, like, I'm sorry. And if she's really that threatening, like there are channels that are not your fucking HR team. Like go to the fucking police.

[00:45:44] Tyson: Call the police.

[00:45:45] Alexa: Get a restraining order, like call like call-call her, call her-- Call someone else. Like, it's just like, it's not your fucking employers' place to-

[00:45:52] Tyson: And that is a good-- Yeah.

[00:45:53] Alexa: -make you feel safe 'cause you-you like stoked the bears, you know?

[00:45:56] Tyson: That's a really good point 'cause I've been in that situation like a few times where like there's been someone who felt like unsafe and like we have to tell them, like, "If you feel unsafe, you have to call the police. Like you can't, you can't call us."

[00:46:09] Alexa: But this is also like, I feel unsafe because of an action I took true. Right?

[00:46:13] Tyson: True. Yeah.

[00:46:14] Alexa: It's not like she was just sitting in the office being the pretty girl, and the wife was like, "That bitch I hate her. Let's get her."

[00:46:19] Tyson: Right.

[00:46:20] Alexa: This was not unprovoked. Like she had agency in this situation. So did he? So I think he-he sounds shitty as fuck, but yeah.

[00:46:27] Tyson: Yeah, that was some super shit going on.

[00:46:27] Alexa: I just like that's not your fucking job.

[00:46:30] Tyson: No.

[00:46:30] Alexa: Like your job is not to make her feel safe because like that's like her going out to the bar at night and being like, "I flirted with this guy, it was a real creep, and then me followed me home and now I feel unsafe. Hey Tyson, can you sit down and mediate that with me?" That's not your fucking job.

[00:46:43] Tyson: Right.

[00:46:43] Alexa: "Like you have to be a big girl and take your actions." Like obviously if someone's in danger, you're gonna help them. But like-

[00:46:48] Tyson: Right.

[00:46:48] Alexa: -it's not your job to-to mediate personal bullshit because people step in it at work, like grow up, suffer it." I hate that shit.

[00:46:55] Tyson: Yeah, yeah, and just, and-and look like not to--

[00:46:57] Alexa: This is how HR gets a bad rap.

[00:46:59] Tyson: To call out like we don't wanna like victim blame here or anything but like-

[00:47:02] Alexa: No, not at all.

[00:47:03] Tyson: -definitely like it's not your HR person to like, you know,[crosstalk]

[00:47:06] Alexa: But that's what I mean. If she feels unsafe, like it's not like HR,--

[00:47:08] Tyson: Yeah, exactly.

[00:47:09] Alexa: Especially if she actually feels unsafe, like your HR team is not going to be able to do fuck all for you.

[00:47:14] Tyson: Trust me. I can't help you.


[00:47:16] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:47:17] Tyson: Yeah, no. I really-- Yeah.

[00:47:17] Alexa: Your HR team is not going to help like your local authorities.

[00:47:20] Tyson: It's that you sit there and wish that I was somewhere else, 'cause that's exactly what I did in that situation.

[00:47:23] Alexa: 'Cause that's the-- Yeah, you call the-- depending on the threat, the non-emergency or emergency local number like that is where you go for this shit or a lawyer. It's called a restraining order. Um,-

[00:47:34] Tyson: Yeah. Exactly.

[00:47:34] Alexa: -yikes. Yeah.

[00:47:35] Tyson: Exactly. Exactly.

[00:47:36] Alexa: Well, that's-

[00:47:36] Tyson: Boy, that was fun.

[00:47:38] Alexa: -crazy bullshit. That was super fun, um.

[00:47:40] Tyson: That was fun.

[00:47:41] Alexa: That and buzzword might be my favorite.

[00:47:43] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:47:43] Alexa: My favorite audience-audience episodes so far.

[00:47:45] Tyson: [laughs] Yeah. I love hearing from the audience. So we're gonna do more of these 'cause it's-it's so fun to hear other people's-- the stuff that other people do [crosstalk]

[00:47:52] Alexa: Nice. I don't know that I have a crazy one truthfully. I've seen some fucked up shit, but I don't know that anything's like particularly happened to me. Definitely seen some serious nepotism. Definitely just, you know, just some- just some habitual line stepping. I definitely had one colleague where a bunch of people were drinking after I think it was like a holiday party or something. It's always like a holiday party.

[00:48:13] Tyson: Always.

[00:48:13] Alexa: So let's just assume it's the fucking holiday party. Bunch of people were drinking. Everybody had a great time at the party, and one of my colleagues, uh, sales guy drew a penis on the whiteboard. He-- I don't know- I don't even know if there was a conversation around it. Like he could have literally been described. I don't know. But all I know is that someone walked in one of the executives, that's not on the sales team, just from a different part of the company walked in the next morning and the penis was still on the whiteboard.

[00:48:40] Tyson: Mm-hmm.

[00:48:40] Alexa: This executive went to like the ends of the earth to make sure this kid got fired. It was pretty aggressive. Yeah. It was- it was like the whole-- I mean the kid was kind of like already a-a bit of a problem and right. Let's just say he didn't have,-

[00:48:53] Tyson: Yeah.

[00:48:53] Alexa: -he wasn't like, everyone was like, "Oh, I don't understand. He's like a model human."

[00:48:57] Tyson: Right.

[00:48:57] Alexa: Like I can't and like, "Why would we ever consider firing him?" Like he had a few- a few, uh, you know, discretions in his past. But uh, it was a little- it was a little weird how much this person like went after him. 'Cause I was like to be fair like none of the women in the office were offended. Like we didn't give a shit. Like nobody really knew why it was there. Nobody like really cared. Like it just was like a stupid drunk thing that happened that like nobody was upset by. And this one guy was just like, "Oh my God, I'm so offended, you must be fired immediately."

And it was like, "What? Are we-- This is really how we're gonna handle this? Okay." It was just [crosstalk]

[00:49:30] Tyson: Yeah, that definitely- that definitely like stirred up something maybe in him that like made him feel really offended. You know what I mean? It's a trigger.

[00:49:35] Alexa: Yeah, definitely. It was definitely a trigger. It was definitely some sort of trigger. Yeah, it was- it was-- the whole thing was like, it was just also just weird to watch like when groups don't have good practices or good people teams in place. And this was like a kind of a quickly growing startup at the time to watch groups try to make these decisions without any support. Like you just kind of wind up with these like awkward fucking, like four limb decisions that you're like, "I don't- That-that probably wasn't the best way to do that in retrospect. "

But yeah, nothing, nothing as crazy as like pooping on the floor or anything. [laughs]

[00:50:06] Tyson: Of course.

[00:50:05] Alexa: What I've taken from this conversation is a lot of people shit in weird places at the office and I didn't know. [laughs]

[00:50:10] Tyson: Yeah, it's bizarre.

[00:50:13] Alexa: Yeah.

[00:50:14] Tyson: It's just bizarre. Call your EAP, folks.

[00:50:16] Alexa: Well, this was a treat, Tyson, so thank you. This was a treat.

[00:50:20] Tyson: [laughs].

[00:50:20] Alexa: I'll let you know how The Killers go. Rock on. This episode was executive produced by me, Alexa Baggio with audio production by Ellie Brigida of Clear Harmonies. Our intro music was also done by the wonderful Ellie Brigida of Clear Harmonies. You can find more information about us and future episodes at peopleproblemspod.com or follow us at

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